Prostitution Is Legal In Canada

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    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:27 am)

    @crazypants88 “but …
    @crazypants88 “but I would think” – your thoughts are at odds with the large and credible body of research on the topic. Your understanding of the economics of trafficking is incorrect. I will say it again…do the research…you are out of touch with reality. You proposed solution will cause harm to many.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:27 am)

    @crazypants88 You …
    @crazypants88 You persist in trying to separate prostitution and trafficking. Do you understand that trafficked women and children end up in brothels and working as prostitutes on the street. As stated before…would a john even know that the girl he pays for is a sex slave…escaped sex slaves say that the johns have no idea. Your blind rejection of credible reports from many sources is depriving you of the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:27 am)

    @brianwillem contd

    @brianwillem contd
    …public contempt for slavery would eventually just simply not be able to compete.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:27 am)

    @crazypants88 There …
    @crazypants88 There are many reports, only some of which re Governmental. The UN, NGO’s, Academics, and journalists have all studied the problem We do not have to rely on Government reports alone. A lot of information comes from prostitutes themselves. Unfortunately Youtube wont let me post URLs. . Search for the reports…there are so many and the conclusions are mostly the same.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:27 am)

    @brianwillem Again …
    @brianwillem Again correlation does not equal causation.
    “Are you suggesting…. trafficking actually declines?”
    Not prostitution but I would think human trafficking would decrease. Basic economics: increase the supply but not the demand and the price goes down. Human traffickers have to spend more money in enslaving their workers then legal prostitutes, that would most likely mean they would have to charge more than their legal counterparts, which combined with the general…
    contd.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @crazypants88 Let …
    @crazypants88 Let me make my points clearly for you:
    1. prostitution and trafficking are inextricable linked (See the UN reports)
    2. decriminalizing prostitution in every case has resulted in a significant increase in both trafficking and prostitution
    3. Trafficking is a huge and growing problem -it will soon overtake the drug trade in profitability.
    4. Most trafficking is to serve prostitution
    5. The only model that has demonstrated success is the Swedish law of 1999
    Where am I wrong?

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @brianwillem contd. …
    @brianwillem contd.
    Thereby making the entire enterprise not sustainable and thereby being abandoned. Granted this is not guaranteed to happen but it’s much more likely when prostitution is legal. However what is guaranteed is human trafficking if prostitution is made illegal. Much like drug smuggling is guaranteed by the fact that narcotics are illegal.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @brianwillem It …
    @brianwillem It doesn’t matter if the demand has lowered (nevermind the glaring question of how you would actually measure that) if the demand lowers in proportion with lowered supply(caused by prohibition) then it would still be profitable. If it were legal than the cost of kidnapping some and enslaving them would be greater then if a person of it’s own volition going into prostitution, thereby the non-slave prostitute would perhaps eventually underbid the human traffickers.
    contd

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @brianwillem contd. …
    @brianwillem contd.
    “On the contrary…. increased trafficking.” And since prohibition would make human trafficking all the more profitable I accuse you of the very same thing. At least I’m not trying to dictate people own personal lives.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @brianwillem And …
    @brianwillem And you not willing to actual willing argue your points and my counterpoint makes a very poor and frustrating debater. You’ve yet to counter the increases in abuses vs increases in reported abuses. How would a prohibitionist state actually measure a black market activity? It can’t!
    contd.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @crazypants88 A 50% …
    @crazypants88 A 50% reduction in prostitution and trafficking is meaningless… not to the women and children who escape sexual slavery. Stop playing word games…people are getting hurt by this thing. How does your solution help these victims?

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @crazypants88 Look …
    @crazypants88 Look for the extensive study by Melissa Farley on the brothels in Nevada. The Nevada model is even criticized by pro-legalization groups. There have also been cases of young girls working in these brothels. Human trafficking groups also report that Nevada, like Amsterdam and New Zealand saw an increase in trafficking and Nevada is listed as a trafficking destination.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @brianwillem And …
    @brianwillem And since you’ve not established why prostitution is in and of itself not desirable, that stat is meaningless in the context of this debate.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:28 am)

    @crazypants88 you …
    @crazypants88 you have nothing…since your sympathy does little to help people being trafficked. On the contrary, since you propose legalization in the face of the overwhelming evidence that trafficking will increase, you are de-facto culpable for the harm done by this resulting increase. I don’t mind you being poorly informed…but when your lack of research hurts children….it less excusable.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @brianwillem contd. …
    @brianwillem contd.
    But as for real life examples of legalized prostitution working look at the brothels in Nevada USA. They protect their employers from abuse, check them for STD’s, meaning oversight and regulations, two things are sorely missed in the black market prostitution arena which you unwittingly are arguing for.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @brianwillem Not …
    @brianwillem Not from the swedish model. And even if you have you have still not explained how the single act of sex in exchange for money is in any way criminal. I’m not talking about human trafficking, just talking about the act of prostitution. I don’t use studies or stats in my arguments because they often don’t mention any variables. E.g. many pro gun control stats fail to list many death by guns as used for suicides or used in self defense, meaning they can easily be biased.
    contd.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @crazypants88 You …
    @crazypants88 You mean you have nothing…since your sympathy does little to help them. On the contrary, your willingness to legalize prostitution in the face of the overwhelming evidence that trafficking will increase….makes you culpable and de facto a supporter of the increased trafficking.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @crazypants88 The …
    @crazypants88 The Swedish law has demonstrated a 50% reduction in 10 years. Not elimination…..significant reduction….How will your proposed course of action show reduction….it wont..it will result in a significant increase……

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @crazypants88 It …
    @crazypants88 It would be convenient to unlink prostitution and trafficking, but the data clearly shows that they are linked. How do you know that the person that is saying” sex for x dollars” is not a sex slave? The stats tell us that many of them are..and yes..even in Canada. If you have sex for money with a sex slave , technically you are guilty of rape. A sex slave has no ability to consent under these conditions. The UN links Prostitution and Sex slavery .

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @brianwillem contd. …
    @brianwillem contd.
    I have nothing but sympathy for people enslaved like that, it’s just that outlawing prostitution wouldn’t change their situation. In fact you’re just ensuring that the industry goes without any regulation or oversight by prohibition.

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:29 am)

    @brianwillem contd. …
    @brianwillem contd.
    Make the abuses and enslavement illegal. Often these problems arise because it’s illegal. People within the illegal industry are then often forced to look to criminal cartels for protection. “One victim states that…..crime being committed” How would this be prevented by prohibition? IT WOULDN’T!
    contd

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:30 am)

    @brianwillem …
    @brianwillem Actually yes you are. You’re trying to convince me of your position.
    Like I’ve said human trafficking is wrong, it’s slavery. It’s not prostitution in my mind in the sense it’s primarily slavery. Prostitution is simply person b saying” hey want to have sex with me for x dollars?” and person b agreeing. Yes there are people who get abused and enslaved to do this thing but that doesn’t mean people of their volition selling sex should be made illegal.
    contd.

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:30 am)

    @crazypants88 The …
    @crazypants88 The whole point is that a lot of people are getting hurt and more will get hurt with decriminalization. The Swedish law of 1999 has decreased demand, and thus made it less profitable for trafficking to occur, So trafficking is down in Sweden. I would like to see trafficking reduced in Canada also, and am prepared to work hard to make it so.

    All I have heard you fight for is simple legalization. You have ignored my request to help fight trafficking…….

    brianwillem

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:30 am)

    @crazypants88 The …
    @crazypants88 The reports clearly show the consistent and significant increases. This is not in dispute., The vast body of evidence available on the international stage though various bodies including the UN, various Governments, NGO’s and academic institutions support these conclusions.

    Are you suggesting that with legalization that prostitution and trafficking actually declines?

    crazypants88

    (October 21, 2010 - 1:30 am)

    @brian Well I’m for …
    @brian Well I’m for people doing what they want as long as no one gets hurt so I’m all for people owning whatever weapons they want as long as they aren’t used to aggress against other people. Your analogy fails also in that prohibition does not remove the demand for prostitution. You’re just making it more likely criminal elements enter into industry when you make it into a crime.
    You know those criminal elements that kidnap people for profit, they wont care wether you’ve outlawed it or not.

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